Hi Neil:
Your 100% correct. My main wings are all f...... up. Plane1 has the left -.02 and right side is +1.1. Plane2 has left side 0 and right side is +0.6. [:@][X(] [b] No wonder the planes have the problems that I´m having in the up lines.

Both planes have max out the elevator. It never cross my mine that a plane that come without any wing regulator can be so off in the degrees of the wings.
Now to fix the problems I will take off the down thrust I gave the motors and installed the wing regulator and put on both side of the wings +1.0.
My planes know have a CG at 210
Do you have a measurement when the elevetors ar max out, what degrees do you have?????
Take care,
Ney