Everette,

I have also watched your posts. I once took my problems with the Evolution to this forum. People that saw the problems with my plane locally knew what I was complaining about. I took them to the manufacturer first though. I took a bit of a beating for it online. I learned from it hugely! I had to work very hard to gain some form of respect once again as I realized bringing all the issue's to RCU is not the correct way to handle the problem. Sure, it's a good thing to warn people if there are issue's, but IMO, it's not a good thing to do them on a forum. It isn't taken well regardless of if you are correct of not. Continue on if you wish, I am the last person to tell you what you can and can't do. It just put's you in a bad light unfortunately. Not the plane or the issue's.

As for the Wind S. Well, I am considering getting 2 of them. After reading that it needs adjusters will I still buy them? Absolutely! (Of course, that's if I can't get 2 Opiums pretty quick) 2 grand for a plane is nothing. Perhaps you should hire my to build your planes! I guarantee they will be straight! And purty! But be prepared to pay 3 times that amount! Or, just install your 12 dollar adjusters in an afternoon and call it good! hehe

Just my opinion!

Archie, you have a great attitude IMO! As stated, I learned a lesson, and realized that certain things are built the way they are because they aren't $4500 Oxai's which have their own issue's from time to time. As for the nats, well, better not count me out! lol. I got a round from T at our Districts (not bragging, 1 round don't win the contest)! With 6 flights on my Neptuno (which I have a hard time seeing any plane flying better than) and no mixing! hehe He's an absolutely great pilot, but every pilot is beatable! Looking forward to flying against you again this next year! Going to be a fantastic "Masters" nats! I am really looking forward to this next season! My whole goal is the nats! I'm excited already!!!!!!!!!!!

Chris

Page 4 of the assembly manual states that 2-3 mm of down-elevator is normal. I have a Wind S (Massimo Selva's WC plane) and can confirm the correctness of this statement.
http://www.sebart.it/download/assemb...0S%20%202m.pdf


Fabrizio

Hi Guys:

I never intended for this forum to go the way it went.

You have to understand that there are people like me that hate building airplanes, I just love to fly them. The issue here is not if you are a serious pattern flyer or a novice pattern flyer; It´s to give any help you can to someone that is asking for it. My only point with this was to see if someone else had the same problems I was having.

I love the Wind S Pro. It looks great and I like the way it fly (only problem was the up lines). I´m not giving up on the planes. I will put the wing regulator to fix this problem. What I think is wrong is that if you buy a plane without this wing regulator and the degree of the wings can be so off.

Regards,

Ney

Arch and Chris,

You guys are really funny! Glad to be your target. It's just that as I get older it gets harder to reach around and pull the arrows out of my back.

Neil & Arch:

Here is a sketch of my wing fences. Hope that this will give you an idea on how to build them. Remember that the only reference we had when building them was the photos from Portugal, I think they came out very closed to what Sebastiano had in his Wind S. (Sorry but I don’t draw that good)

You will need less rudder to control the plane. I like them in the M, knife, slow roles and rolling circle. It´s up to you, it come out to be pilot choice.

Hope this can help you. Any question I will be glad to try to help you.

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Take care,

Ney

You keep winning, so therefore by default you become the target. It makes it fun though. Has been great flying with you the last couple of years at the NATS. I'm jealous of Kris that he gets to fly with you regularly.

Although with George Asteris and now Jeff Carder here, it will be fun over here next spring as well.

Arch

Ney,

Thanks, those are great. I have the Wind 50e and it comes with the fences, so I had a rough idea, but you sent exactly what I wanted with heights and such. I'm definitely going to try them. We are getting our first real snow fall today, so I'll have plenty of time over the next 3 months to work on them,

Arch

First off - you all owe TonyF lunch for participating in his clinics! I used to buy lunch after practicing in Lancaster. I figured that I should at least get some food sense I already ate the "humble pie" during practice. (no one take this out of context please, meant in pure fun and thanks).
Jim

Ney,

I agree with you the adjusters should be included and installed on these. Heck all plug in wing airplanes should have them.

Tim

Hey Arch,
Snow??? whats that, it was 90 degree out here 2 weeks ago, a little warm in Los Angeles for December.
Mr Woodward, are you going to the Nat's next year ?

Hi Jarvis - long time no see. Thanks for posting pics and stuff from D7. I plan on going to the Nats in 2011. Will be my first pattern nats since 2006. I'm really looking forward to flying more these days and over this summer was able to get in some serious F3A practice and a few contests. I'm kind of taking it easy and more relaxed about the whole thing and been able to do a little more coaching and airframe tuneups for folks too. Thats what I enjoy the most.
Thanks,
Jim

ney,
       many thanksfor the sketch and dimenions , will get to work on these today ! , many thanks.

regards
steve

Jarvis,

I will openly admit that the next 3 months I will definitely be missing the San Antonio weather I had previously. Oh well, its not that bad, definitely makes you recharge your batteries and get ready for spring as opposed to flying all winter and hitting a wall. I have "winterized" my trainer by adding skis to it.

Arch

Hola Ney!!!!

you're a firestarter!!!! ha ha ha

Ney I installed wing adjusters on my fixed wing CARF integral and i see it as an opportunity not only to fix your problem, but to fix some other samll bad habits the plane might have. this is regardless of the trimming method you use. I have just weighted a set of gator rc wing adjusters I have here and they are only 12 grams.

I saw Pablo's plane in Medellin and it was the lightest plane of the whole contest (i like the wind s pro a lot by the way). you will have plenty of weight to spare on a modification that helps you a lot on other issues. there is a thread from Chad on the way he installed his adjusters on his integral (I did the exact same thing on mine) and i don't regret for those 12 grams. being able to move your incidence will let you move the CG forward and this makes better snaps, easier spin entries, more precise control surfaces and some other stuff. I'd see the wing adjuster installation as an opportunity.

I have pics of my wing adj installation process, if you want to check them out email me: [email protected]. i do not know why I cant put pictures on my RCU editor. i guess it is couse i use Win XP

good flights!

y saludos a todo el equipo F3A Ecuador!

Marcelo Velez

Adjusters are not too difficult to retrtofit into a pattern plane. Just takes a little thought of making it work with what you have. Attached are pictures of adjusters added to Comp Arf Valiant. A little positive incidence was wanted. Adjusters are in the rear, the front pin was replaced with an additional bolt that goes through a slotted donut in the fuse.

Don't let the designer read that [X(]

Hi Ney,

Thanks very much for the drawing – great info.

Cheers,
Neil M.

I finally had a chance to measure the wing/engine incidences on the Wind S Pro I am trying to help a friend trim. Not surprisingly, the wing has no positive incidence relative to the motor. As close as I can measure, they are the same incidence. This is probably an early model since it seems to have the same problem as the earlier ones. Looks like surgery is in order.

Woodie
Team Acme LG

Que fue Marcelo:

Ya ve hermano lo que pasa. Lo unico que queria ver es si alguien tenia el mismo problema.

Ya estoy instalando los reguladores de ala y espero probar los aviones este proximo fin de semana.

Un fuerte abrazo a todos por alla.

Ney

Out of curiousity, I contacted SebArt and asked what the incidences/thrust are supposed to be set at from the factory...... Well, guys, SebArt says it is supposed to be 0-0-0. Hmmm I guess you need to fly this plane relatively tail heavy to get that setup to track straight vertically. For me unfortunately that ends up with sloppy snaps and pulling to the canopy in uplines even with the down trim. For those of you that got Wind S Pro planes with positive incidence in the wings, I guess you were just lucky enough to get planes that were set wrong at the factory... Now, where did I put those Gator wing adjusters. ;-}

Happy Holidays everyone
Woodie
Team Acme LG

I added adjusters to one of mine last night, just to play with it. I removed the rear pin front the wing and replaced it with the phenolic for adjusters. I just mounted the adjusters to the donut that the pin would normally fit into. Was very simple. Mine aren't experiencing some of the issues that others are, or at least not near as pronounced, but I figured it might be interesting to see what difference adjusters will make. It was very easy to do as it didn't take more than an hour to complete. I'm not sure when the weather is going to cooperate to test though.

Arch

Hi guys:

Just a update.

I finish putting the wing regulators and problem fix. Still had to give the motor down thrust to fix the up lines. Now I can say I have a pretty good plane, its night and day after the wing regulators.

Thank you for all your help.

Happy New Year.

Ney

hi ney,
glad to hear your models are coming on well , what glue did you use to glue the fences on the wings ?????.....

regards
steve