Everette,

I've never claimed these were perfect, however, they do make weight easily, which is one problem many ARF's have had. The issues are mostly annoyances as opposed to major problems. I wish they would've included wing adjusters, but they didn't. Fortunately mine, and several others on here have not had incidence problems, but adjusting it, is not a major undertaking. Yes, I would love for everything to be perfect, but for the cost it is certainly very reasonable. Most KITS with composite fuses now run around 1200-1500 dollars and the ones that are cheaper, usually do not include a lot of the sheeting or landing gear, so your costs come out about the same, so assuming the 1500 price tag for a kit, essentially you are getting a great flying plane for 500.00 painted and most of the work done. While not perfect everytime, the finish alone will cost that. I'm sure no one on this thread would tolerate the issues had they paid 5K+ or so for an Oxai or significantly more for a Naruke built plane, or even having a professional builder build their plane, but for what you pay for a plane that is consistently making weight I don't think this is unreasonable. The Otop's were junk and even if you fixed the problems, they flew poorly, whereas these small inconveniences are all overshadowed by the flight performance of the plane. If I expected perfection, I would expect to be paying significantly more. Even a Visa from CA that comes at a similar stage with painted fuse and monokoted wings is 1200 bucks more, and the painted wing version is even more. Frankly if it takes less than an evening or two to fix small issues, then that is what I would consider them. Frankly for 95% of the issues I've seen in this thread, I personally would be hard pressed to duplicate the fit and finish work on either of the planes I have, but then again, I don't claim to be a professional builder. I agree that nothing is perfect, on my 2nd plane there is a slight indention on the bottom of the plane near the air exit hole, but I didn't even notice it at first and if you don't know where to look, most people couldn't find it. I think each problem presented can be easily solved with some fairly minor work. Certainly much easier than getting a kit and finishing it complete.

Arch