Speed Panzer,

I see your point. In that case, I will follow your advice and plan on using a long stroke engine in the Saphir. I do have a pumped YS that could serve well there.

Back to the Webra's in question then, it seems like an upright install for the Speed 61R might be a better option. Good suggestions so far:
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It also sounds like the 80 needs to turn a 13x10. Are there any "mystery" designs that could use that displacement and prop to good effect? I've even thought of a custom sized Tipo (but don't want to cut more Tipo cores) or something even as sporty as a large Side Pocket. Neither convinces me though. I may just have to use it in the 90 size CAP 21 project although I was planning on electric for those scale designs - all around simpler in cowled applications. Besides, these engines need to be seen!

David.