ok thanks
so see if i get it right...

a snap roll is actually the shorter version of a spin....a spin and a

rolls are not the same as a spin but a snap roll and the spin are the same (spin uses mainly rudders.ailerons and elevators while a roll only uses ailerons) hehe hope everyones not gettin confused!!!!

I totally understand the meaning of a stall Brian...its when the laminar flow over the control surfaces gets 'SCREWED UP'. so a snap is when in tip stalls right

anyway whats a tumble...ok its not a maneuver but what happens when u tumble?

thanks and i hope im not getting too annoying!
cheers 8)