thanks for the input Ryan, glad you could join this thread
Let me clarify what im looking for.
Hover, some flat spins, blenders and all the standard IMAC routine capability. It doesnt have to be a monsterous 3d machine
I am in love with SIG just based on its looks, what a sharp plane. The Lanier is nice as well but its just another red EDGE

I underdstand your point though
matt