on the whole Adrian ... hear hear !

much boils down to the definition and interpreatation of 3D though....theres 3D fun fly and thers 3D aerobatic.... for me its 3D aero.... ive had enough of fun fly and hovering all day without any precision...

TOC aircraft are 3D aerobatic and anything that can emulate them at a smaller scale is in my view 3D aero.