Thanks for the advice ameyam, I dont think there is any fuel in it yet...haven't spun over enough to draw any in there yet...took the plug out to make sure, no fuel, also took my bigger starter and cut the banana plugs off them....installed some alligator clips to use the truck battery. Gonna try the turning it backwards into the compression stroke and trying that. When I was breaking in the motor on the bench it started fine...seems I had to keep bumping it over to get it to go. This is the biggest engine I have owned, these little boogers have alot of compression! Hopefully what I have done will work.... waiting on some stuff to dry and will try it soon.