Dick, I can more than appreciate what you are saying. Tuan made an error in judgement in the method he used to try to resolve what HE percieved to be a problem. In other words he used this public forum to vent his frustrations and has only added to a bad situation. We all have done this in the past, just in different ways as means to an end. I do not agree with HOW he tried to resolve his problem. What I'm talking about is an age old problem here in D3. Listen, what I'm talking about is not only dishonest it is corrupt! We've got contestants winning here in D3 that could not fly within the confines of the aerobatic box if their life depended on it! Yet, most of these same people whine and wonder why pattern participation has declined in recent years. Daaaaaaa. IMHO, if this problem is not addressed here in D3 and on the regional and national level, then we will have no one to blame but ourselves.There are still pattern participants out here that are trying to do the right thing, have values and refuse to subscribe to the "Chicago style of corrupt politics". Dick, I wish you well and consider you a friend who does care. Thanks, Everette