I'll stick to what I was taught...I've seen you fly a tail dragger <grin>. BFG!!!! Jerry, nothing but respect...we have conversed many times on rec.models.rc.air when the newsgroups were around...I miss that [] I know, it still is there, but not nearly as popular as it once was by any means. I miss Red and the others on there. Red b!tching and all lol...remember all the threads on "black wire disease"?