Thanks, I will try that.   I do know I have set the base leg way out and slow.  On the turn to final, the plane will not roll wings level so I can fly a long final etc.   I know it is mostly me so I will keep at it.  Lets say the left wing is down , turning , I have held almost full back stick, rolling back wings level but the plane will just not react.  Hard to explain.  gphil</p>