That's not my point. If flying the baseline at a correct distance to fit the scored manuvers into the box laterally, one is actually flying quite far out for the newcomer. Assuming the new Sportsman competitor is making reasonable sized manuvers, and placing them correctly in the box, <u>that actually puts the turnarounds quite far out</u>. All well and good if the turnaround is completed without error, however, it will be quite far out for a calm correction from an unusual attitude should the turnaround manuver go astray. None of this is a factor if the new Sportsman competitor is flying too close to the deadline, but then the sequence does not fit into the box; also not an issue if the manuvers are flown too small by comparison to what we like to see from pattern pilots. Try having a go at the last 3rd of the current Sportsman sequence. See if you can fly nice sized manuvers at the correct distance from the deadline and fit all of them in without leaving the box (of course you can): It is a tight fit if flown honestly, and if flown at distance enough to stay within the box, you will see that the out-of-box turnarounds are quite far out there really. No issue for the experienced pilot, but potentially anxiety provoking for the new competitor. I hope I am stating the case clearly as I am flying this sequence a dozen or two times every weekend now. Cheers!