Thanks to all for responding. For hugger-4641 I can do everything you outlined except #3 I need to work on but the other stuff I can do in my sleep. I figuered to start a half hour a day on the simulater to pratice as flying season here is coming to a close. Im hoping by spring to have it nailed. Thanks again to all for the advice is nice to have help when we need it,THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!