I have the Ultra Stick .60 with an JR 8103 and quad flaps. To add to what David said, crow allows the plane to fly very nose high at speeds slow enough to hover in a 3 MPH wind. Use the flaps, you won't regret it. By the way, I am 14, flying for 1 1/2 years and, according to most club members, fly better than 3/4 of the club.