Bryan,

Re M Ramell ; You are correct - very correct.

I don't think anybody is suggesting to have electrics weighed without batteries - you IC guys would become extinct - quickly - as it is you are on the endangered list .

Re a future design ; Have a little something in mind ok. The problem is it will have to have two wings and I can't get constructive advice on wing incidences anywhere .
Nobody talks about bipe wing incidences.
Perhaps a good subject for The Future of F3A thread.

Do you agree that most people fly faster when the wind blows ??
Have you ever wondered why ??

Brian