You guys remember TopGun2Mo (a jet dude here)? He lives two doors away. The wife and I went over there for a little B-day celebration for his one year old yesterday. His brother in-law was in town. He flies F-16s for the Air National Guard. I asked him about the Thunderbird crash. He said that he had hear, through the fighter jock's grapevine, that it was an engine problem just after he rolled inverted at the top of the split S. Now this ain't 100% positive, but it sure looks bad for you guys that said it was not an engine failure. BTW, he also told me that he was flying right behind a buddy on Monday when he had an engine issue (a fire) and had to punch out. Seems to be a lot of engine related F-16 issues.