Rob I 100% agree however do this in a pattern or IMAC contest and you loose at least 1 point per maneuver for not entering with wings level. 1 point per maneuver times 10 maneuvers per sequence multiplied by the K factor and 2 sequences per flight and you could easily be leaving behind 200 points per flight. It's easy to see what motivates us to find other options. As Jim pointed out this isn't really the proper place, if we want to further discuss this maybe the IMAC, pattern or aerodynamics forum would be best. I personally would like to see it addresses in the Pattern forum as there is where it applies beast and that forum has good participation.