Rob, I'm still going to disagree with you some here. While the same aerodynamic physics apply to our models, it is not a lateral crossover. I realize that I am repeating myself here but because of lower wing loadings and higher power to weight ratio models have a larger performance envelope. IMO getting hung up on all the full scale practices and or flight techniques means you are not exploring anywhere near your models potential nor yours. Now if that's your thing more power to you however some of us WANT to push that envelope. This means that we can and will do things that buck the full scale convention. Then again imagine if Art Schol or Leo Loudenslager didn't push the envelope? Am I correct when I bring up the fact that you did an aileron/rudder mix on your SE5? That's not full scale practice ( except Eurocoup ) I guess the point is that as R/C pilots we should not be held to the limitations of full scale aviation. To me it's irritating that when I instruct someone on a certain aspect of his R/C model just to have someone come along and say " that's not how we do it with real airplanes" well guess what I really don't care how YOU fly your full scale airplanes, I'm flying a MODEL and have zero interest in flying full scale. Name just about any R/C flying event and I have done it at the top level. Helicopters, sponsored pilot for GMP and then demo pilot/designer for Century. Sailplanes, 1996 US team selection finals. IMAC 2006 SW region runner up advanced class. Pylon 2012 Triangle series unlimited champion, 2013 Triangle series .46 modified Champion. I've had a few local pattern wins as well. Im not throwing all this out to brag. If that were my personality it would be reflected in my RCU profile, I'm just reinforcing the fact that when I offer someone advise it's because I have delt with the same issue as it applies to a MODEL. If you want to talk models then please do so I invite that conversation. If you want to talk about full scale piloting techniques then please take that conversation to the full scale forums.