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Old 03-08-2014 | 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Top_Gunn
So you're saying it's impossible to fly a straight line from point A to point B in a crosswind, or to steer a boat in the same sort of straight line in a constant current? That's just not right. It is probably true that in a real stream, rather than the ideal one we're imagining, you are likely to follow a curved path, because the stream will not really have the same velocity near the shore as it has in the middle, and because you never know the exact speed of the current and so guess at your initial heading and change it when it's off, as it usually will be. In the ideal conditions of the example, though, the boat will go in a straight line right across the stream. And planes fly straight lines from one place to another in crosswinds, by crabbing, without following curved paths and without holding, or even changing, rudder positions, except when the winds differ from the forecasts.They do it every day.

None of this is advanced in any sense. It's the sort of thing you learn on the first day of instruction in dead reckoning. Every full scale pilot has to know this stuff to get a license. Denying it is pointless.

Your 35 years of hands on experience has surely made you a skilled aerobatic pilot. Nobody questions that, and nobody is "bashing" you. But, as Sensei himself is fond of pointing out, with sufficient practice you can become very good at aerobatics without ever learning even the basics of how an airplane flies, or elementary facts about the effect of wind on airplanes. I know some RC pilots, whose flying looks great, who believe that turning downwind causes a plane to lose airspeed, which is the dumbest myth in the book, but they can fly models spectacularly. In the very small spaces we fly in, while making constant corrections, that sort of knowl90edge isn't absolutely essential. But when people ask, they should get the right answer, not just a guess.
What makes you think that I don't know the basics of flight or the effects of the wind during flight? I have never stated/chest pounded in any thread what my complete background is, my formal training has been, and what all my qualifications are to date, so you are now making assumptions and you know what they say when you ass/u/me... What I have actually done for years in the hobby side of my life is shared documented build threads of my kit lightening concepts, and my scratch built lightweight designs, and in more then one forum, I then post my own flight videos in support of the those lightening concepts while pushing the airframes to the limit in some cases and in wind up in the 35 to 40 mph area as illustrated in some of my videos. Take guys like you that hang in places like the beginners forum and boast about your alleged qualifications, your alleged 20 + years of training beginners, and your bla, bla, bla, whatever the case may be, then when asked to share something we can see... Well, nothing but silence or deterrent tactics of the question as illustrated by your lame jab at me because I/we are still waiting for evidence of your dance...

For the record I didn't get into that wee wee match with you guys in the dumbest downwind turn myth thread because to be perfectly honest, who gives a rats... I say just shut up and fly, oh and guess what, on the vise versa side of your post; I know guys that have been flying 20 + years, can quote all the basics of flight from their keyboard, but when it comes right down to applying what they know, and I use the term know loosely during flight, it just doesn't happen because their entire $10.00 of attention span is already spent holding their breath while circling the field and trying to get back on the ground in one piece and more importantly, possess the ability breath and type smoothly again. Does this in any way sound familiar to you stud.

Bob

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