Thanks I turned the arm 90 degrees and it worked out good enough (Brain cramp) The arm that I am using is A Dubro Duel servo arm for futaba. (They fit the Tactic servos) I am using ball links attached to c/f rods. I am using duel servos on the elevator for A gaint stik I know its over kill but I crashed one because the elevator rod broke not a pretty sightThanks again foe the help Michael