Thanks Crius (Gary I think)... just watched some of your video's on youtube - good stuff, very informative. Do you happen to know the approximate range of the IR tanks? 5ft, 10ft, 20ft? more?

Also if you don't mind - I described my situation and current interest above - trying to see if it's for me - I do plan on painting the tanks, but the tanks do not need to be 100% historically accurate, I would like to try doing some battles with them and like I said, when I first looked I only saw airsoft so I was thinking about just rigging up some type of target which could be Velcro to the top of the tanks and when hit would indicate a kill... or a target range so 2 people could play.

My thoughts were then to get 2 tanks so 2 people could "play" some and also to learn about them - I don't want to go much over $250 initial investment so from what I read I thought something like the Heng Long Tiger 1 with S&S and metal upgrades + either the Panther or Jagdpanther with plastic tracks (with or without smoke and sound) would fit my budget and provide an appropriate entry into the hobby... would you agree that would be a good approach given my initial budget or are their better options I may be missing?

Thanks,
Tom (talex)