thanks for all your replys, you have given me a great insight into pattern flying. i have only been flying since march this year, working on my B. i tell you what got me into pattern (you might laugh) was the ripmax gambler 40 it fly brilliently (enya 40) i have sharpened up my slow rolls and 4 point rolls be need that bit more precision. hence wanting a pattern ship. i shall diffnatly look into a bigger one, but are they all glass fuzzes or can you get built up ones and are they all one piece models