Yeah, I started to read through the big thread and just got tired. I have looked at the kit they offer in the UK and it does look like a quick build. Hard to believe it will out do some of our 3D birds, though it would be a nice change of pace and a much nicer lokking plane then some of the common ones over here. So many of the 3D machines over here either look like a deformed pattern plane or else the wing is thick enough to stick your arm in.