Thanks rusted.Oh ye I know all about parts count after learning to fly r.c.helis and quads.Good tip on the red cat I have been kind of lusting after the exceed 6x6 or themad gear and convert it to 6x6,yes I have put lots of time and effort into the mrc but it has been a kick in the pants.take care and thanks for the inspiration I have read your post on other site and subject wish you were my neighbor.S.T,C.