I hear you Scott but realize this is a no win situation for us. most times guys don't want real answers. They are looking for confirmation. Some obviously come looking for conflict. Notice I have not made any mention of what I currently build at work. This is a catch 22. A guy who once watched jets being built and flown is laying claim that he is more knowledgeable then I and when I mention what I build and work then come the labels such as " arrogant " " braggart " and the like. It's best we just put the info out there and hopefully someone will benifit from it.