Gosh sure am disappointed no body has replied. I was talking to another flyer and we were talking about getting a flying circle in the City. But another question came up.about counter weight on the out side wing. I recall something I learned at McCord AFB in Washington about the use of counter weights for balance and weight that was essential on the outer wing. I did a post to Shuge on You Tube don't know if he got it. Also kinda excited but I just ordered a hard point handle from Brodak. $48.00 ,ouch. Stuff is sure getting expensive.AJ.