Im flying a .40 sized 3D plane now with NO airfoil, just a flat wing sanded to a point. It will out 3D my Laser3D and the UCD's that I have flown. It hovers very well, not as easy as a SPAD3D (nor is it crash proof), but close. If you venture outside of hovering it will blow the spad3d's socks off with its Super high alpha walking pace knife edges, its blenders, torque rolls, waterfalls, you name it . You can make any airplane 3D with the right set up and (the most important thing) the right pilot. I have a video of Jess Rozman torque rolling the heck out of a Spad Cub just a few feet off of the ground.