Still sounds like an mad plane to own!!! I will still get one.... Will it do knife edge loops? Has anyone made it fly backwards? Always thought that is one of the coolest tricks a plane can do!! I'm not after an all out 3d machine as I am new to 3d flying. Spent most of my time doing sport aerobatics. Is a pull-pull setup on the rudder a good idea or should I run the standard setup? Never used a pull-pull setup before! Is it hard to do?