Igodin
I would consider a 40%, all fiber, DA-200 powered Edge a good 3D plane.

Do we exclude anything that is less from the 3D category???

If so, all the planes you mentioned are just 'FunFlys'

Most 3D/funflys do most maneuvers well, and others not so well. No plane does everything perfect.

Thats where a good setup, a good pilot and lots of practice come in. If it was easy, it wouldn't be any fun!!!!

I have more respect for a guy that can wring-out a 40 size down low than a guy that can hover a $6K 40% in one spot all day.

The whole thing is relative anyway. It's all about the plane and the set-up you're used to, not what someone else has. I don't use expo or DR's. Some can't fly 3D without -'doesn't mean it's wrong.

My bro just finished up one of these new 'fan fold' profile electrics. UNBELIEVABLE!!!
But is it a 3D plane since it's made of foam- only 30 inches- a profile- powered by batteries???? Or, cause it doesn't do this one part of this one maneuver very well with a tail wind and a full tank of fuel and......

By the way, the biggest reason you're not going to see too many more Pizzazs is because of the hinges and the build quality and knowone's going to ship it back for that.
I just had Horizon send me a role of white and red Ultra cote.

Kirk

I have not been able to get mine to knife edge loop. It falls out on the bottom half. MY Cg is not WAY back though. It is where it started at 1/2" back from recommended rear (don't remember where that is).

Flying backwards - nope. And I am running 15x5. That should give stability that I don't think anyone else has tried. 15x4 wouldn't work. Full throttle on a 15x5 is not very fast. Speed 14x6 but we aren't racing with this plane.

Pull-pull is easier than setting up a dowel stick push rod and is as slop free as the servo you are using. The best control setup by far. Second would be a totally stiff pushrod with ball ends on each end. Pull pull wierd to setup the first time you do it. After the first you will wish you could have it on every control surface.

This plane is very short coupled. If you (I) try to knife edge it gets very squirmy and minor inputs make a big difference. I figure that is a good thing. Take a small plane that is very sensitive in knife edge. I fgure this is a good thing. If I can figure out how to knife edge this than my 33% Extra will be cake.

I have read more bad reviews about UCD3D than good. Maybe they just wanted to to make something that people could buy to be easy to hover.

Well I have a SPAD. I first flew my friends after not flying for 18 years. I hovered it great right off the bat. Second time I hovered was so comfortable I hovered 10 feet off the ground. Well it came out inverted and I did not notice. Lannded in a briar patch. I had to yank it out. Plane was fine. Anyone wants to do 3D should build one of these. They fly like monky poop. It will teach a plane flyer two thing - throttle cotnrol and rudder control. It is amazing flying something that you know if you plant it it will cost you at most $20.

Less than 3D.......the pizazz is NOT in the 3d category, even a 33% pizazz is not in the category. It is not a question of if the plane is good or bad or so so at 3D, IT DOES NOT DO 3D, and that was the question


To reiterate on the previous subject, the UCANDO, funtana, and many profiles WILL DO 3D. they are in this category!! will they do it as well as a 33%-40% plane....NO, but they will at least do the 3D moves.

I once saw a guy hover an overpowered .60 cub, I used to hover my trainer.......does this make them 3D machines????? NO, so why would the pizazz be one.


The original subject was "will the pizazz do 3D" THE ANSWER IS NO, but I also listed the "fun fly" stuff this thing will do.


I know you are defending this plane because you have one, I HAVE ONE TOO, I still fly it! But if you like 3D and want a 3D trainer there are BETTER options, if you want a fast fun fly plane that does "fun fly" stuff that scale planes will not do get a pizazz.......................


Just don't ask it to do 3D, the pizazz will "just say no!"


Do we need to keep going around on this? I have more...... I have thought of going out and smashing my pizazz in the ground just so I no longer feel compelled to answer this thread..........


it will not 3D, it will not 3D, it will not 3D


hover is not 3D

any questions?

OK!!! Fine it won't do 3D, No need to get cranky and go smashing your planes!!!! I was unsure of the plane capabilities because I have never seen one fly before!!! I just wanted to check and see as I would like to get into 3d aerobatics, as most my time aeromodelling has be spent on sport type models. I did have a Sig fazer at one stage, however It was my third plane and I had never heard of 3d aerobatics then. Weather or not a fazer will 3d is a differnet subject. From what has been sad the pizazz is a great plane, however some people say it can do different things. I guess this comes down to each persons setup, as it is unlikely that any two people will have exactly the same setup. Anyway I still plan to get the pizazz or whizz as it is called here. Weather or not I can get it to 3d is a matter of time, but I'm sure I have fun trying. I plan on doing some of the mods suggested here, and if it don't 3d then I'll move to something that will and keep the pizazz as a funfly plane. Thanks for all the help!

Oh, I can still get back the fazer I had as I sold it to my father and he still has it on the shelf! (he's never flown it) Are they any good for 3d? Just something to keep in mind!!!!!

3-D or not the Pizzaz is a blast to fly. I would not discourage anyone from owning one. I personally could not get mine to 3-D. It would knife edge and knife edge loop,but you had to stay on it the whole time. It also had to have the fuel tank less than half full.
I started out with a .50 2-C on mine. I mounted it last. The servos cant be moved around in the plane for balance. So I mounted everyting but the engine. Then put it on the CG stand and slid the motor back and forth to get the CG I wanted. I had my battery behind the servos. You can slid it back there with the servos out. Then the servos hold it in place. It flew great with this setup but needed more power. After I landed it inverted on the runway.(another story) I decided to put a Saito .72 on it. I slid it back on the mounts as far as it would go. I had to cut a U in the tank cover to clear the intake pipe. With this setup I had to turn the gear backwards to get the CG back were it was. The difference in power was night and day.This is the idel setup for a Pizzaz. Mine is on mothballs right now. My flying skills have improved a bunch since I put it up. All this talk makes me want to get it back out and try it again. Maybe with spoilerons this time.

Good luck,
David

I agree that it is not a bad plane, just will not 3D



The fazer will not 3D either.