I am going to side with CafeenMan from now on out about this topic. I have tried to make my point and you guys just dont understand. Its hopeless to argue anymore about it b/c Im not gonna change your point of view and your not going to change my point of view. I know I started this thread after the other one was closed (b/c I wanted to bring in the point that Chuck made). I think its time we do away with this thread.