hi t.bob, nice ultimate....i have a hard time with the mini's on the elev tho. may be jus me tho. i had minis on a dymond ford flivver per their specs on the ailerons. both blew (stripped) on maiden flight.....that was fun. still don't know how we (yes we) got the plane back in 1 piece . i had the strap for radio around my neck and when one went out plane startin rollin....lol. i handed radio to friend that was helpin trim and asked him to give it a shot.....i still had it around my neck......anyway he doesn't stand still while flyin...he kinda dances. well he took control and the other servo went out then but he managed to belly flop it after about five minutes of unreal stuff and it just bent the gear is all. was most amazing save any1 in club has seen....and closest they have seen some1 get choked to death also . i just don't know if its worth the weight saved due to my experience with minis on control surfaces of larger planes...-Tinman-