Is it a hobby or is it modeling, today the arfs are the majority of our sport. Notice how I said sport, that is because today with the ability to have instant gratification of the arf market it has changed the art of a hobby into a sport. Years ago there were a lot of modelers and people had no choice but to be proficient in building and then go try to fly, unless you had the cold cash or great buddy to build it for you. Today I don't think that the checkbook modeler is second rate citizen, in fact he is admitting his inability to produce something flight worthy, I do have a problem with the people who show up with some thing they are not ready for and won't be for a while. This to me is viewed as a second rate modeler, one who buys the best and has no clue on the rest, after all, some planes require you to have prior knowledge of setup and correct hardware to use in certain sized models and how to produce a safe, flight-worthy model. In other words, I don't think that a newly graduated high wing pilot of a arf that was built for him by someone else should pick up a 1/4 scale aerobat for a second plane, first of all he would lack the knowledge of proper installation of hardware and he would be lacking the discipline of checking the aircraft more carefully for problems. Then again he would have the deep pockets to have someone build it for him and the plane would slowly deteriorate in time from daily usage and that is where the danger comes into play. The average arf flier is a pretty good pilot, because he is flying while I build, it's the random person who prematurely steps up a notch or two for the superficial feeling of belonging and acceptance who is second rate.