JR,
I would think from all the flack, personal attacks, and unwillingness to recognize any potential problem the answer to your would have been obvious. The hue and cry is not about speed, but about turbine rules. It seems that the loudest of the guys wants NO RULES that pertain to turbines. If you wish I am sure someone can go back and find the various posts where DavidR, Mongo, Augiep38 and others have said the same thing, in at least one case in almost exactly those words. As a group it seems that they would clearly rather foist anarchy on the rest of us than participate in any attempt at making the environment safe for the entire community. I suspect the problem is that the group has not followed the current turbine rules very well and now the group is being called to account. See the ox and the gore? Guys, before you launch on me consider that I have just described what it looks like to several SILENT outsiders I have talked to.

Some of those guys howling about the turbine rules have even gotten low enough to say things that folks at my flying field laugh at. Go to your flying field and see if you can find anyone who has EVER seen a gas burner (NOT glow, but gasoline) catch fire in a crash. Then try to find SEVERAL of those kinds of fire in one year when NOT at a special class (GS racing) event! LOL Wanna bet they meant glow? Others are offended because they spend a lot of $ on their models and seem to feel that gives them the right to hold the rest of us hostage to their wealth rather than show any consideration for the rest of the community in the hobby. As a group they seem to throw up the fake straw man of "it costs an extra $200!" as impediments to improvements in the hobby when their planes frequently cost over $10,000!

Abel the problem with fires is NOT with speed alone (IIRC you have to exceed 400 mph before temperature on the structure becomes an issue), but with carrying lots of flammable liquid to the scene of the crash along with a large very hot heat source, all better known as JETA and a hot turbine. I know there are neat and tricky things in most of the CURRENT engines that shut them down on RX signal loss, but that does not cool the engine down if a servo dies, or a structure fails, or the pilot has a simple sneeze at 200 and near the limits of his visual acuity. Turbine fires happen and we all need to accept that as a fact. Now, imagine a fire in your neck of the woods started by a model turbine. How long would we be be flying models after that became the known cause of the fire?

Legislating common sense is not going to solve the problems because, as you noticed, it won't work. The turbine community needs to step up to the plate and engage in proactive management of their own segment of the hobby rather than trashing other modelers as a defense for their moral laziness and failure to do so with the current rules. From what I have read, seen, and talked to folks about the TRC attempted to put the jet community in that position while at the same time opening the genre` up to more folks.


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