Tom,
I am surprised that you do not have your facts straight as I have always expected better of you. The election is OVER and I lost so get past it and get serious about addressing the issues rather than joining in the veiled threats many of the jet jocks here seem to be making. I am only interested in safety for EVERYONE in the hobby and the loud voices here do not seem to have that as part of their goals. If it makes them mad that I happen to notice that, so be it.

Now on to your direct questions.

1. I have not attended a single "Jet" event, but I have been at several events where turbines were flying. Does THAT make me a worthless dummy as many here seem to indicate? I think not.

2. No, I have not flown DF or turbines and at this time I am getting turned off by the attitude of many that do. That means I probably will not invest lots of funds in that genre1 because I am more interested in FUN.

3. Sorry, I did NOT say turbine flyers were out of control, rather that the turbine community has failed in its basic agreement with the AMA to enforce agreed upon rules regarding the use of turbines.

Read all the the threads in the Jet forum for the last 90 days and count the flagrant violations of basic AMA Safety Code. One that stands out in my mind is the guy who assembled his Turbine F-15 ARF in a few hours so he could do the maiden at some big turbine event. Sorry, I just don't think taking the first flight of ANY plane at a public event is safe, wise, or within the rules. For more indications of things that will answer your question you will have to do more work, I did. Go to the AMA website and (re)READ the Turbine documents, they only pertain to CURRENT rules. THEN go back to the jet forum and read the threads over the last 90 days again, but this time keep a tally of the clear open violations of rules already in existence and not being followed or enforced. That tends to indicate to me that there is a large segment of your group who has total disdain for others in the hobby.

Some folks (not open on this forum) have told me of the commitment to safety most turbine guys make and I recognize that in several of my friends who fly jets, but it is clear that there is a small percentage that do not and are harming the attempts at doing things in a better way. I happen to think that it is the responsibility of the community to police its membership and the turbine community seems to have done a poor job. If that were not true, the instances of basic Safety Code violations and turbine rules violations would NOT be discussed in an open public forum. The nature of those discussions seems to indicate a clear and open disdain for modeling in general.

Tom, no matter how mad you get please understand that I would much rather be wrong. That being said, go do the research because it is NOT about your kind of individual as I happen to know how you fly and do things, but it is about those who to violate the rules the turbine community agreed to enforce and the lack of enforcement. Look at the comment about difficulty in enforcing the T/W rules - THE JET GUYS WROTE - for a very clear indication of the nature of the problem. The turbine community (represented by DavidR - as he stated) signed up to provide some enforcement to rules they sold the AMA were needed and then has thrown the problem under a bus in hopes it would be ignored by all, as reported by DavidR himself. Sorry, but that is unacceptable.