HEY RAZOR! I'll challenge you to a ROLLING CONTEST!! I've got a 28" span delta that is red on top and white on the botton. It turns PINK when you roll it! The doppler sound effects are at least a half roll behind what your eye is seeing! An AME 061 on 30% hauls this 12 ozs pretty good. You guys have sparked my interest in the ZEN and the YS, gotta stop looking in on this website, even though it's free, it still costs me money! Jealousy is a powerful emotion![tell that to the 3rd world people who "hate" us]YS also has their own soft mount system?