I have a Nolimit 3D, and a Diablotin Super. Both are similar to the Laser 3D. The Madness is an other one. If you can fly a SE you can fly one of these with out a problem. It will land slower, and it has a very stable glide, but will get as wild as you want. As far as pattern goes these airplanes will do it nice and close and slow,but are not really pattern planes. Tom