HI WOLVERINE! I've got SEVERAL good running .061 set ups,RTF, and would like to know if you and a couple of buddies are interested in some "little fun". You might be surprised! I can do the .25 style JOUSTING also, but IMHO the action is too high speed and out of control to be much more than a demolition derby. I also have flown AMA C/L COMBAT, [for 18 years] so I'm familiar with 20 second life expectancy planes. For my money, I get more out of events that limit the speed, because the quality of the DOG FIGHTING is better. Not many guys can afford the time, money, and effort it takes to fly club combat on a consistant basis. That's why there are more lookyloos and wannabes than there are DOERS, and participants. That's why I have been promoting 1/2A combat, because the investment in time and money is minimal, and it will still keep you sharp for RULE BOOK COMBAT! Very rarely is one of these planes damaged to the point where they can't be fixed on the spot with some glue and tape. They can haul 30' of streamer good, and your buddies' streamer as well[almost as well]. Let's get together some time[anytime] and do both.25, and 1/2A! BRING IT ON![>:]!!