u may as well close it down. its going no where. i cant believe adults act like such babies. no one can get along. sounds like most the old gys in one of my clubs. for some reason they cant stand a younger gy coming in. they fly in circles thats it. and thats fine i respect each one of them. and nothing against older people. some of my best friends are over 65 to 75. and i like them and they like me. i respect them and so they do to me. i started flying just a year ago. i want to learn 3 d. i own 12 planes now. and most are aerobatic planes. including two 1/4 scale. ive learned to knife snap and do lots of fun things. im in the process of learning to hover. and am getting there. and ive got gyros in my lanier edge to help me. i dont care if its cheating. it called learning to do somthing i love. i road race motorcycles. and have won three champion ships. and i treat no other racer any different. they all get along. they all will help u. yea sure u can get ur once in a while snob. dont we all. but airplane people can be so rude and not nice. the other club im in. has many nice gys. we all respect each other. and just cause im 36 and there 66 doesnt mean a thing. they like to watch me fly and learn what im doing. grant it im not a pro. and cant do it all. but u have to start somewhere. just like racing bikes. u dont start as an expert. u work ur way there. im sure all u gys could come up with somthing to make everyone happy. so u can all have fun. i get tired of planes somtimes. and we wonder why countries cant get along. we cant even get along. theres no reason for it. who cares if u heli 3d sport or just fly or if ur 16 or 90 this is supposed to be fun. life is too short for this. if u live to be a hundred. thats nothing to eternity. they cant get along at the fields. they cant get along on the computer. grow up people.quit acting like a bunch of spoiled babies. and i dont care what u think of me. i respect and do unto others as they do unto me. if u want respect from me then i ask for some to. i had a fella run his trainer off the runway right into my big cap. went over my wing and under my van. at full throttle. hes been flying along time. thank god it did not hurt my cap. but he did not even say sorry or anything. just grabbed his plane and walked away. i wont say what i felt like doing. there are no problems only solutions. so think of some. dont just tell someone they cant fly 3d or heli or what ever think of a solution. at our new field this stuff does not go on. we dont put up with babies and rude people. if we can get along and come up with soulutions so can u gys. a friend and i are training a handicap fella. to fly. he has one arm. and hes flying well. now is someone supposed to tell us he cant fly. because its dangerous. what isnt dangerous. ive crashed at over 140 mph. luckily im hear to talk aobout it. any way take how u want to. and to u 3 d gys. i love it. keep doing it and want more of it. one day i will learn. and for one year of flying i hold my own. and im prowd. and i will learn to hover with my gyros and someday when i can do it without them i will. so all u gys get along. were not in elementary school. well ive got to quit. fingers cant go any more. i just cant stand it when people constantly fuss about things. remember there are no problems only solutions. and the solution is not to try and stop someone from doing what they love but to work together. and enjoy this hobby. yes hobby. ur not winning a million bucks. a hobby somthing ment to be enjoyed with ur friends. to get others envoleved in it. young or old or handicaped. dont look down on someone for the way they want to fly. oh im done. u gys do what u want. im glad i dont fly with some of u. keep it up aerobatic gys im for u. just respect people like u would want respected. im sure its in one ear and out the other to some. man i may quit this hobby. and yes im a ama member too. cya bill