I hear ya on DP! I'm still waiting too. Too many excuses. The Carl Goldburg is relatively close(not the big one!). Its a great flyer and Ive seen them 3D on a YS-91 and a YS-120. CG was moved back about 3". Otherwise there are not that many more choices for an Ultimate ARF. World Models Ultimate is pretty good as far as construction but I have'nt seen one fly. After looking at Dave's Ultimate I might just have to suck it up and wait!!! It was a thing of beauty(construction and covering!!). I pulled one out of the box and the covering was tight. But..... he did'nt have the purple one at the show. So now I wait.....