You know thats my biggest question, I can download just about any plane from all of those download sites. The ones that claim to 3D incredibly do they really? What I mean is take away the adreniline rush and the reality of crashing do the planes that are set up for 3D ing, 3D like that for real? you cant go into the set up and see what was done and try to make sense of half of them because the parameters to make them respond the way they do are so far out of wack if you were to build a plane to look like that it would look like 4 abstract parts of 4 different planes stuck together to make something a 4 year old would call a plane. I just would like to hear some one who knows how to 3D a real Extra, Edge, or Cap to say YES definatly these planes 3D like the real ones do. Or, no not really the attitude of the plane is realistic but in reality you need to work the sticks more or the throttle needs to work more in a real hover. Something like that. I can hover and do limited 3D stalls and maneuvers on all of the downloadable planes on the G2 website and on Aero 3D. I have also gotten pretty good at hovering the stock Edge 540 and Extra 330S with no modifications. I just cannot tell if its that difficult to do in real life. Or is it as easy as the downloadable planes. I am by far not a novice in the hobby but my 3D expertise is limited to the simulator. Last year towards the end of the season I purchased a Giles G 300 from YA and a Morris Knife from someone on this website RTF. I understand that the Giles wont 3D to well but the Morris is an absolute 3D machine and a 3D trainner by comparason to the Edge or Extra. So, I practiced on the G2 Sim downloaded a profile from Pro Bro and I consider myself pretty good at it. My concern is spring is almost here and I havent flown all winter. Are my expectations of my skills going to be accurate or is there a factor here I havent accounted for and I am going to be extremly suprised when I try to pull a hover out on the field for real.