Actually that is the best explanation I have heard yet. I was using a little common sense when trying to compare my skills on the sim to real life and came to a lot of those conclusions myself. I figured on those downloadable planes that it couldnt possibly be that easy. However, I assumed I would have to step it up a bit so I wouldnt be sooo suprised at the field as i tried to compare the 2. I ask you, have you tried to 3D the stock aircraft on RF. I use the edge 540 right from the program no wing mods at all. The only thing I do is put in 3D throws in the control surfaces. THat goes for the extras and Caps. All from the stock set ups. I have gotten quite good at the stock edge, TR, Harriers, and even messing with some flat spins. In your opionion does the stock 540 react, fall off and or stall like the real ones do. Or at least very similar? In the simulator I feel that the edge is extremly touchy especially at stall speeds and full throttle blasts. You definatly cannot over react and jerk the sticks around to get out of a hover. I seem to think that as far as realism goes that would be the best example. If somebody said to me that they can hover a number of different STOCK aircraft from RF then I would assume they are pretty good at it.