My theory is this, although people say no way, the stock planes on RF do not 3D at all. I say in return but, if you can manage to hover one or even more, then your skills to adapt to a plane that doesnt 3d well are going to be very well refined to a plane that does in the real world. I have read threads on websites where it was said that any plane can hover no matter what it is. All you have to do is learn its attitude in a nose up stall and adjust to it before it happens. Your ability to keep it there will differ on all types of planes depending on how fast they fall out of their sweet spot and how quickly they respond to your correct imputs. But any plane can and will hover. I have all the downloaded planes from RF and Aero 3D and if thats how they perform in the real world I have got the 3d thing licked I dont believe thats true though. I also dont believe that the stock planes behave the way they do in a hover in real life either. All I do know is that it took me months longer to adjust to the planes attitude and throttle imputs on the stock aircraft in a hover than those downloaded kites. Now as far as the standard stock aircraft go on RF I have manged to manipulate various planes in the air to simulate some 3D moves including hovering. the nobler stock, the giles stock, cap 232 stock and the extra. No mods and No downloads. I think I am prepared to take on my planes this season with a little more confidence knowing I can adjust the attitude of the plane in any position in a hover with out having to think about the inputs before they are done. Granted I plan on testing my theory up high, but I expect I should feel a bit more comfortable than last year.