Is there a way or certain plane to make real flight go into a 3d type mode? I want to try and practice on the sim, but if the sim will not come close to how I will really be flying then it does me no good. Don't get me wrong it really helped me learn to fly, but it isn't much help after.

You can go on real flights home page and download a couple modified planes that 3d alot better then the stock planes do. The toc cap is one that I know of, I'm sure there are a few others depending on what expansions you have.

The G2 seems limited to true 3D, but you can trick the sim into something pretty close by making a copy of a plane, moving the CG back, increasing the tail surface area and throws, and increasing the size of the plane to slow down the reaction time..............go really big at first, to get the feel of the control inputs (like when the belly is towards you in a torque roll), and gradually bring the size of the plane back down as you get the knack for it, and get ready to spend a LOT of time practicing, and keep in mind that the sim and real flying react differently, but it will build up your thumb movements.

Sell your Real Flight to one of your buddys and pick up Aerofly Professional, Then get ready for some 3D fun!

On the Real Flight download page there is a cap 232 3D. I dont have a real 3D plane but have been practicing with the cap until I get mine. So I cant say how realistic it is but it will hover and do other 3D manuevers.

Doug,

Is the Aerofly that much better? I've got the G2 and it'll 3D fine. I have the Edge 540 (SD) from the download page and it 3Ds OK! I use it just to get the stick movements, knowing that nothing will substitute the real thing. But if you tell me the Aerofly is markedly better, I might switch. On the G2 you can tell the plane fees way too light on the 3D models I have.

Is there Aerofly site?

Marcelo,

Try this http://www.aerofly.de/index.html

Regards,
Mark

Thanks a lot Mark!!

I have to agree with the advice concerning Aerofly Pro. I have been using G2 for the last year and it's great for many thing, most of all basic flight training. But when it comes to 3D it's just not the tool for the job, period.

Give Aerofly a try guys, you will be amazed.

OMP is carrying the sim currently, give them a call.

www.ohiomodelplanes.com

We've definitely reached the point now where there is no question about Aerofly's validity for the best 3D...by a long shot. I've read numerous threads, here and in the sims forums, seen the videos, and own both sims. I have not seen a single person who's tried AFP say otherwise. People can still ask and wonder about it, but this is one of those questions that at this point has a direct answer. Except for those folks that haven't experienced it yet (or anyone who wants to joke around), there is no debate. I've owned G2 for three years now and it's excellant. It's still great for teaching stick inputs, but it is nothing when compared to AFP for any flight below stall speed. The first time you try it it hits you like a freight train. This includes all 3D and spins, and AFP benefits you way beyond mere stick inputs. I'm still new to 3D and it's helping me tremendously...even to the point of making my G2 flying better .

Chuck

OK OK somebody who knows how to 3D for real needs to go to the RF simulator pull in the Stock Edge 540 and I mean STOCK no downloaded stuff. Just mod the control surface for 3D. Then at least hover it try to pull out of trouble and then try some 3D manuvers. I just started to get into 3D flying this past season being an experienced pilot I figured I can handle it. I havent yet really hit it hard out there for real but I have been able to take the Stock Aircraft from RF adn hover it pull out of trouble down low and even flat spin and harrier. I NEED to know if this plane more, less or pretty close to how a real 3D machine would handle. I understand the obvious adreniline rush the $$ flying inches from the ground my concern is more based on the planes attitude at stall speeds to react or not react to your imputs in a realistic way.

I have bought G2 a two months ago and 10 or 20 hours on it has REALLY improved my hovering, rolling circles and harrier rolls. The stock plane don't 3D, you have to download modified planes. My favorite is the 330 competition on the Realflight dowload site. You can modify any plane to fly 3D too well to be realistic.

I have watched the Aerofly videos and it looks almost TOO easy. The I don't see the planes dropping a wing etc.

I have not flown Aerofly but from all the comments it seems to be the best choice.

I wish they'd put out a free 30day trial, I'd like to compare it to G2 before I plunk down another $150.

Hmm you say its easy but it could be a good pilot.

Same as when you download a clip and a plane isnt quite what it seemed to be, but then a more experienced pilot flies the same plane and you change your mind.

Download this
http://www.bestrc.com/hobbies-bin/co...330Profile.exe
It's the most realistic I have found.
If the link does not work go to the realflight download page. Its the Carl Goldberd 330.

I suppose that what you need to see is a video of ME hovering...then you'd see some wing drops! (and back flips, etc. ). Too bad I don't have the means to put up a video because what you normally see are the recordings of someone who is already very good, showing off their best stuff. They're making everything look easy.

AF has been a tremendous help to me so far, far beyond what G2 was doing (and I apologize that it's so difficult to explain). I'm finding that their Hype flys extremely close to how my Mini-3d hovers. I've reached the point where I can hover on AF indefinitely, and my reactions are automatic...but I'm still learning to keep the plane in one place. It will still occasionally come flying towards me (yipes) so I've been a little tentative with the real thing. But the few times I've been able to get out I could bring my Mini down to about 7-10 feet, go into automatic, and it feels just like my AF...awesome beyond words (even though I keep trying). I've gotten into trouble a few times with the Mini, and my AF instincts got me right out of it when there was no time to think. There's so much going on you just can't explain it all.

Too bad there isn't a trial version, because no amount of written stuff or videos can replace trying it. But if anyone with AF, video capabilities, and the time to make a video is reading this, I'd be happy to sacrifice myself and mail you a recording to show everyone a true amateur at work.

My theory is this, although people say no way, the stock planes on RF do not 3D at all. I say in return but, if you can manage to hover one or even more, then your skills to adapt to a plane that doesnt 3d well are going to be very well refined to a plane that does in the real world. I have read threads on websites where it was said that any plane can hover no matter what it is. All you have to do is learn its attitude in a nose up stall and adjust to it before it happens. Your ability to keep it there will differ on all types of planes depending on how fast they fall out of their sweet spot and how quickly they respond to your correct imputs. But any plane can and will hover. I have all the downloaded planes from RF and Aero 3D and if thats how they perform in the real world I have got the 3d thing licked I dont believe thats true though. I also dont believe that the stock planes behave the way they do in a hover in real life either. All I do know is that it took me months longer to adjust to the planes attitude and throttle imputs on the stock aircraft in a hover than those downloaded kites. Now as far as the standard stock aircraft go on RF I have manged to manipulate various planes in the air to simulate some 3D moves including hovering. the nobler stock, the giles stock, cap 232 stock and the extra. No mods and No downloads. I think I am prepared to take on my planes this season with a little more confidence knowing I can adjust the attitude of the plane in any position in a hover with out having to think about the inputs before they are done. Granted I plan on testing my theory up high, but I expect I should feel a bit more comfortable than last year.

All Thumbs

Sounds like we have had similar experiences with our simulators, aren't they great I love how those instincts start to kick in when you are in real trouble.

I wish I'd bought Aerofly from the start but the modified G2 planes mimic my real planes pretty good. I just started doing rolling harriers and rolling harrier circles on my 3DX, I couldn't have done it without a simulator

I should add that in the last two months since I bought the sim my 3D flying has advanced quicker than ever before and it's been too cold to fly

Some people I know don't like them, but once you realize their value you have to buy a sim.

Geo, I can't even imagine how this hobby would be for me without the sims...any of them. Don't worry so much about my lengthy endorsements for AF. I love G2 too, and I've probably got more hours on that sim than I can count. I've had plenty of good planes downloaded and learned a ton with it. In the end, we all want to get out and work with the real thing anyway and I'm certain every sim does it's job. My posts probably don't sound like it, but I've never been one to believe that there's only one right way to do anything. If I didn't have AF, I'd still be learning to hover!

Yeah, it's amazing to hit that "zone" with the controls in a new manuver with the sim, then go out and fly the real thing. It's all a matter of "trust" somehow when you're instincts are down pat, you know? I love it. It's amazing how the brain works...I've passed some plateau somehow hovering with the sim and now I don't have to think about my inputs (95% of the time). I can't believe how much I'm enjoying hovering now. What I have left is to build up better directional control...but that's getting better. I've proven to myself many times that if I can do something in the sim I can pretty much do it for real (depending on how fast my heart is beating ).

Chuck