Well Minn, I'm going to let this bickering go because its obvious your king of hill here. As far as not believing my story I could care less what you think, I was there, I saw it happen. Unless your in the AV industry I doubt I'd ever work for you. As far as attacking you, as you say I don't think I addressed you personally in my first post but you still jumped all over my face as if I did. I think the idea of this forum is to post your opinion not whether or not people agree with you. My opinion is my opinion, thats all, its not the law. I'll admit I'm not the greatest flyer but what gives you the right to question my ability and my decision to use expo to help me along. If you never advance to a trickier plane how are you suppose to improve your flying skills? As far as my talking about older flyers, we have several members in their late 70's and early 80's, those are the guys I'm referring to. I'm sure you have them at your field also. you probably are assuming that I'm some young punk shooting my mouth off, well I'm 44. Have a real nice day