My local shop owner gave me a great price on this bird , it listed out at under $450 at the regular price i dont know anyone who has paid over $500 for this bird. Even Laniers retail price is $499.00 Anyway thanks for the good comments guys, cant wait to get it in the air here in Iowa. Hopefully spring will come soon and some 70degree weather.I thought about the 3.2 but i kept falling back on the other kit versions where the 3.2 would fly it ok but not unlimited. I didnt realize how much liter the ARF is.