A guy at our feild has had two Vmar planes and both have crashed...He's not the best pilot but he should of still been able to fly em with ez,but that were both second hand and heavy and under powered.Plane 1 was a VR 4 or somthing and it crashed 3rd flight, the 2nd was a roulet and it crashed first flight..He got them cheap so he didnt care but on saying that ive seen a Vmar edge with a os50 fly and was a very nice flyer but the covering was a bit on the sad side.