i dunno mike. this thread has gone south enough that its getting dumb. when the slander starts rolling in, it gets WAY off topic then there is no point in arguing any more. better to call it quits then to stress the stupid stuff. i know whats right and wrong here, and arguing for the wrong calling it right is just wrong (say that 10x fast! )....i need to find me a new thread to argue over.....
i'll still keep up with this one though. if a mod dosnt shut it down soon.

sean