HEY KEN THANKS FOR YOUR RESPONSE I HAVE READ AND LEARNED A LOT FROM TREDS THAT YOU STARTED AND\OR CONTRIBUTED TO. I WILL GIVE THE 16x12 A TRY IT FLYS PRETTY GOOD NOW IT WILL HOVER (AT FULL THROTTLE) BUT I REALLY EXPECTED MORE OUT OF HER MORE TOP END SPEED AND LIKE A 1\2 THROTTLE HOVER WITH UNLIMITED VERT. HOPEFULLY BRINGING THE RPM UP WITH THE SMALLER PROP WILL MAKE THE DIFFERENCE I AM LOOKING FOR. THANKS AGAIN, DON