Ah thanks, The more I think about this, the harder it becomes! See, what i want to be able to do is just have fun with my plane. Fly it around, do some snaps, make it go absolutely crazy, then see if i can recover it! Now i'm looking into maybe building a SPAD! When i think about it, a .25 spad i could even bring up to my local park and mess around with. It would be much cheaper, but i dont know if i could fly it. Do spads fly considerably harder than a dazzler or uproar? The four-star can by my real plane, but i want a plane to just go crazy with!