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Old 09-07-2004 | 03:17 PM
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Default RE: Scared we may loose Dockweiler State Beach in CA

Spelling is not one of my faverite subgects. But then you knew exactly what I meant. Want to stay on subject?

The direction that HSS wants to take the PUBLIC park is similar to the direction the Laguna Niguel flyers did with their local Lilly Shapel Park (LSP). This involves a flying test and the deputization of club members so they can turn in their fellow flyers to the city AND the demand to see $1,000,000 of personal liability insurance. An unreasonable sum.

A "flying and safety test" would effectively eliminate half of the 70 or so club members including one or two of the four working on the proposal with the city. Then there is also a limit as to how many sailplanes can be in the air at one time. Even during contests.

It is to be strongly noted that LSP in Laguna Niguel is in a gated community with a 24 hour guard who filters those that enter.

The city of Laguna Niguel has a form for a permit to fly at the LSP site. The city ordinance is only for this park and clearly states that the applicant must show proof of the $1,000,000 liability. It does not state that this be strictly AMA. However the application only lists your AMA number for liability. An oversight by the administration?

The real question is why is all of this is coming about. It's the growing group of electric flyers that used to be gas flyers at Mile Square Park. The electrics are no longer the cutsie park size old timers. .40 and larger size aircraft are being converted to electric and flown here. Fairview Park is not the place for this size prop aircraft. The other is the noisy zaggi like electric wings. These flyers have been asked to fly further north in the park and not 50 yards from the row of townhouses on the south western border.

This is an open boundary park of over 200 acres. There is no gate with a 24 hour guard. There is no on site full time ranger. Since California Prop 51 passed in 1986 the city has no significant liability for any injury or property damage caused by park users. If you fly there you had better be covered. AMA is one way. Personal liability riders on your renters or home owners is another.

Please note that your personal liability insurance will most likely pay for any accident you have. The AMA is secondary. This is where the $1,000,000 minimum that the AMA touts is out of line UNLESS you are flying a .40 size or larger fuel or electric power plane. Since the park is not set up for flying such size aircraft you should not be flying it there.

So as with the topic of this thread and it's related details the problem is an electric plane flown by a brainless dolt. You report (squeal if it's a fellow club member) the dolt to the park ranger/police and he is removed. There are already laws on the books that can and should be used first.